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02/28/08

The Deliberate Choice to Pee

Posted by : Marie Stroughter in Christian Adoption Blog at 10:32 pm , 442 words, 740 views  
Categories: Special Issues


The Pee-Pee Saga continues. We’ve shown love and mercy, and overlooked it. We’ve tied consequences directly to the action and had her do her own laundry. We’ve taken away privileges. Today, I took away all her “fancy clothes” because she soils them. Still, no matter the outcome, pleasant or not, it’s the same result – she pees.

We’re not being inconsistent; we’re just trying to find an equitable solution. I have asthma and the urine smell triggers me.

She admits this is done purposely. Her pediatrician concurs that it doesn’t appear to have a physiological basis (we did a full course of antibiotics earlier when we had issues with encopresis and she did have a bladder infection).

So, if she herself admits it’s on purpose, and the doctors have ruled out anything else, what is behind this? My daughter is only six and cannot know the “real” reason, thus here are a sampling of her theories:

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• I want more (more stuff)
• Because I didn’t like what you told me
• I’m scared of the “bad men”

I am truly at my wits end because of the situation with my asthma (did I mention stress is a trigger, along with strong smells?).

In addition to the “logical consequences” of having to do her own laundry, another consequence is that her brothers are beginning to not want to be around her. I feel sad for her, and try to keep the boys civil, yet at the same time, I wonder if this “logical consequence” will carry weight with her?

Both her foster mom and former social worker told me that there would be long periods of time (months) between these incidents. Thus, I know it is something within her control. I also know it is a form of power struggle, and somehow she feels powerless. But why? When I talk about it with her she says she knows that she is loved. She is happy with us. Yet, she continues to be plagued by this “bad men” stuff. You may recall in yesterday’s post, I asked her exactly what continuing to pee really does to these “bad men” who don’t even know where she is – and of course, she had no answer. I am really sincere when I ask what the tie is between peeing here – in this house – and the bad men from her past?

For those of you who have dealt successfully with this issue, I throw it out to you for insight, ideas and suggestions. What has been your experience as to why your children do this?

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Comment from: Julie [Member] Email · http://special-needs.adoptionblogs.com/
Ok - here's the insidious thing about trauma-related behaviors, the more you focus on them, the worse they get. Your daughter odes have a certain degree of control over them, but that control is very hard to exercise when she's in a heightened state of anxiety. Asking her "why" is futile. It is, really is. And it's so hard to stop that as a parent. In fact, asking her why shows her how very concerned you are about this and that can add to her anxiety and shame. Shame is very toxic...and can always make things worse.

So, what to do? I like the natural consequence of cleaning up the messes. Of course these have to be doled out with no emotion on your part...just a very sincere insistence that everyone cleans up after themselves, including doing her laundry, etc. She may have to be restricted to where she goes in the house, which furniture she's allowed on.

I'd reinforce that you love her, she's safe, and that you are there to help her learn how to clean up after her mess...taking the pressure off the pee-pee incidents themselves...which lessens the anxiety.

Trauma is such a difficult thing to figure out and overcome. Faith Allen wrote beautifully about her own childhood trauma issues in many of her blogs.

Julie
PermalinkPermalink 02/29/08 @ 04:36
Comment from: Marie Stroughter [Member] Email · http://christian.adoptionblogs.com
Thanks, Julie! I got similar advice from the PTSDers on the support board I've been hanging out on lately. I know the awareness around it has heightened things and made it worse, but it was feeding into my asthma (just as I was getting that horrible "thing" that was going around and already having respiratory issues!) and I was frustrated from wheezing and having attacks all the time!

Thanks for the insight, though, it *does* make sense...

M. :)
PermalinkPermalink 02/29/08 @ 10:58
Comment from: my2rubies [Member] Email
Can a six-year-old really discern enough to know that she did it "on purpose"? Is it possible that she knew it was happening and therefore thinks she must have done it on purpose, but perhaps did not. Imagine the shame she must feel in that.

It sounds like a fear reaction to me. Not a fear of you or anything in your home or happening in the moment necessarily. Just a state-level of fear memories that rise up in her and leave her without the ability to think cognitively. Just because it happens for a period and then stops for a period doesn't mean to me that she's in control. To me, it means that at this moment, the fear is present and at other moments it was not. You see, I don't believe that a six-year-old would want to intentionally humiliate themselves and alienate themselves and get themselves in trouble this way. But I admit that I have a different colored pair of glasses on when I view the behavior of our children.

I'm OK with asking her to help me clean it up. I can't imagine expecting my six-year-old to do their own load of laundry. That's my job--I'm the mom. If my child vomited, I would do the laundry.

Rather, when it happened, I'd go to her and tell her it's OK. I'd reach out and hug her or rub her back. I'd say quietly, let's just clean it up. I'd make sure nobody else knew about it to the extent that I could (because I know my child would be horrified about it). When it's cleaned up, I'd just sit down with her and rock her and tell her how much I love her and not mention it again.

I haven't had the peeing behavior, but I've had others and the approach I've described helps and makes sure that my child knows that my relationship with her is more important than any pair of panties or puddle on the floor.
PermalinkPermalink 02/29/08 @ 16:41
Comment from: jocelyn scott [Member]
Have you tried offering a reward (for example, buying her something she wants) if she doesn't pee in her pants for a reasonable period of time?
PermalinkPermalink 02/29/08 @ 18:23
Comment from: jenn268575 [Member] Email
I have actually been through the pee pee saga with my daughter. She was actually 6 years old when we finally found our AH-HA moment. After dealing with peeing the bed and her pants any given time for no apparent reason (no bad men ever, and ruling out medical)for too many years. We decided we were finished with it. I bought her pull ups to where all of the time until she did not pee them for 1 week then she could go back to "pretty panties". If she peed her pretty panties back to pull ups was the plan. I totally ignored and did not discuss the pee ever. If she peed her pull up I changed it without any emotion or conversation. I did not ignore her just the "pee" 1 week she peed the 2nd week she did not. The 3rd week she went to pretty panties and has been in them ever since (she is 16 now). Good luck.
PermalinkPermalink 02/29/08 @ 21:59
Comment from: Marie Stroughter [Member] Email · http://christian.adoptionblogs.com
Thanks for chiming in, My2Rubies. As to laundry, yes, I'm the mom, and there are jobs that are mine. Because of the smell, I *can't* always help her given my asthma (it triggers asthma attacks). And, at 6-1/2, she's actually pretty good at laundry! She takes her soiled bedding or clothes, whichever it is, takes it to the washer, puts the detergent in, hubby (or me, if the scent isn't too strong) turn the machine on. She comes to help put it in the dryer, she helps to take it out, and she folds (and frankly folds better than I do, which I tell her, and she is very proud of that!!!)

We've tried the "love her out of it" approach, pats, little to no attention to it; as well as more punitive/consequences attached.

The issue conjoined with this is the sneaking/lying about it. And the deliberateness of it. She will sit in front of a TV show she likes or will continue playing even when she feels the need and finish what she wants to do and if she pees, so be it. *That* is the behavior that is being addressed. We pretty much ignore the nighttime wetting and the accidents. Despite that (ignoring), it still occurs.

But, I do appreciate your insights!

M. :)
PermalinkPermalink 02/29/08 @ 22:30
Comment from: Marie Stroughter [Member] Email · http://christian.adoptionblogs.com
Hi Joycelyn,

Yes, we did do the "pretty panties" as a reward (in fact, I have High School Musical panties waiting for her, and she knows this).

But I appreciate the advice!!

M. :)
PermalinkPermalink 02/29/08 @ 22:33
Comment from: Marie Stroughter [Member] Email · http://christian.adoptionblogs.com
Hi Jenn,

Thanks for the tip! We have tried the "pretty panties" (see response above), but to no avail.

It *is* good to hear we aren't alone in this issue!

M. :)
PermalinkPermalink 02/29/08 @ 22:35
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